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February 12, 2008

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Karin Dalziel

I think of blogging partially as idea fodder for articles- I put my ideas out there and the community can tell me if I am way off base. If I am, I'll change my direction. If I'm not, there might be something there for an article. My blog posts are rarely in depth enough to serve as articles by themselves.

You're right that a carefully managed peer reviewed blog is pretty much an open access journal. I've thought a lot about what makes a blog a blog, and I've come to the conclusion that it's not just the software. (Comment Press by Institute for the Future of the Book would be an example of blogging software that has morphed into something else.)

Most Journal management software is pretty bad, but it wouldn't be hard to instead use drupal or wordpress to put together a journal where the peer review and publishing all happen in the same place. Streamlining the process would go a long way to getting articles out more quickly.

The problem with blog as peer review is that the comments don't usually affect the content of the post- a system would have to allow the original to be changed after comments are posted, and then push it out to a wider audience.

The advantage, though, would hopefully be a lower barrier of entry for reviewers, and a built in way to track and approve the peer review process.

Marcus

Thanks Scott; I'm glad to see that my post has generated some good discussion.

A brief anecdote: Yesterday I learned that an article I co-authored for OCLC Systems & Services: Digital Library Perspectives will be published in Fall 2008. It was submitted on December 1, 2007. In this case I don't even get to see the peer review comments--the editor indicated that revisions will be minor, so perhaps that's the reason.

The article is about emerging alternatives to the impact factor--presumably not that much will change in eight or nine months, but you never know.

I'm not wedded to the idea of a "journal as blog" as we understand blogs now. My real hope is for much faster communication, and a recognition that some level of review can be post-publication. Maybe there could be incentives for thoughtful rather than angry comments on blog threads. And people could become more comfortable with proposing ideas that blossom into a more rigorous investigation, rather than waiting to publish the perfect paper. "Peer review" in this sense would be about improving the kernel of the original idea, just as with the JMLA process. The big difference is that comments would be public; to me that's OK.

This is all very uncharted territory, of course. Who knows where it will all lead? At least we can't say we don't live in interesting times.

T Scott

Speed to publication is an important issue. My biggest disappointment, and greatest failure, as editor of the JMLA was that I was unable to shorten that lag. But as I implied in my post, that was strictly a function of the resources put into it. I did all the editing myself and since submissions increased dramatically during my tenure, I could never get ahead. Under Nunzia, there are 3 co-editors and they've cut the lag from submission to acceptance substantially. And since they've been experimenting with putting some articles up on MLANET prior to print publication they're cutting the lag to appearance as well. Shifting to something like OJS as a platform would make it even easier to cut that lag.

As far as your seeing the peer review comments, that's strictly a policy matter -- our policy was that you always saw the reviewers comments, unedited. I'm sorry to hear that the OCLC journal doesn't do it that way, but then, there is tremendous variation among journals as to how they handle almost everything. I've been a member of the World Association of Medical Editors for years, and the discussions on their email list are a constant reminder of how much of a cottage industry much of scholarly publishing still is.

As far as improving the quality of post-publication comments, I'm pretty sceptical about that. Making substantive, thoughtful comments is work, requires time, and doesn't offer much in the way of rewards. Making quick snarky insulting comments (or vapid pointless ones) is easy and, apparently, emotionally satisfying to many. There will always be a very high proportion of noise relative to the amount of value that one can get out of any comment thread.

K.G. Schneider

Very good post. I wouldn't even be commenting except to remark, very immaturely, on how the title of this post was truncated. ;-)

Marcus

So it comes down to developing an incentive structure for making thoughtful comments, more than whether the publication vehicle is a journal or blog.

Certainly now most comments in blog threads are heated...the big cultural shift would be in understanding these comments as an opportunity to have a real conversation rather than to vent. Will that happen? I don't know, but hope so, even if it takes a long time.

T Scott

Marcus, you're more optimistic on this one than I am. Consider the letters to the editor in a local newspaper -- frequently uninformed, often insulting, generally contentious. The letters to the editor in the NYT tend to be thoughtful but that's because they're edited and only present a selection of what gets sent in. I'm afraid that open comments will always draw a high proportion of junk. It's just too easy to spin out a few sentences off the top of your head without having to deal with the consequences of standing behind your ideas.

Marcus

The only way this would work is for the comments to be understood and validated as legitimate peer review. There would have to be a reward for making the effort, or nobody would do it. AHIP points seem pretty menial, but something along those lines is what I have in mind; a tangible reason to compose a thoughtful comment is essential. Otherwise, indeed, the junk will win out.

Right now excellent peer review happens in the traditional fashion, because there is prestige attached to being a reviewer in this context. That's what needed online.

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